It has been called “a violent clash”, “a virile confrontation”, “a furious row”. But today’s Le Monde finally sheds some light on what Sarkozy and Barroso really said to each other during that infamous squabble at last week’s EU summit over the Roma deportations.
The paper has published a transcript of the row, under the headline: “A lunch as bitter as bile in Brussels”. Below are some of the more juicy excerpts from the confrontation (the full article is only available to subscribers of Le Monde‘s website).
One caveat: The transcript has been put together based on the accounts of several witnesses – both first and second hand – and therefore might not always reflect what was said verbatim, but the authors of the article maintain that it’s fully reliable.
With no further ado, let’s leave the stage to the protagonists:
European Council President Herman Van Rompuy: “Nicolas [Sarkozy] has asked me to give him the possibility to make some remarks on a current issue. Indeed, I leave him the floor”.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy: “I have the highest respect for the [European] Commission. I have done a lot for it. I have done a lot for the Commission and to bring France back to the heart of Europe [...] It’s normal for the Commission to investigate. But before any investigation, one of the Commission’s Vice-Presidents [Sarko obviously referring here to Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding] has used expressions like ‘disgusting’, ‘disgrace’, ‘Second World War’. These are words I can’t accept. I don’t say that the Commission is disgusting [...] I’ve come here only because she [Ms. Reding] has apologised. I had told [Commission President] Barroso that I would not come if she didn’t apologise”.
Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso: “The substance and the form [of Reding's declarations] are two separate issues. We have rules against discrimination, and it’s the role of the Commission to defend them [...] The Commission has distanced itself from Viviane’s statement. She has said that she regrets the interpretation which has been made of her declarations”.
Sarkozy (interrupting Barroso): “The interpretation?! It’s not for this that she had to apologise, but for saying that [France's Roma policy] is ‘disgusting’”.
Barroso (keeping his cool): “I understand Mr. Sarkozy’s emotion [...] Ms. Reding has said that she regretted her statement. I note that the French Secretary of State for European affairs has not done the same”.
A quick footnote: French Europe Minister Pierre Lellouche had responded to Viviane Reding’s remarks claiming that the French people, not the European Commission, were the real guardian of the EU Treaties.Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi: “We need to withdraw speaking rights for Commissioners and their staff. Only Barroso must be allowed to speak [in public]“.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel: “We need to convey an image of serenity at the end of the summit. We need to avoid using certain expressions”.
Iron Angie’s words of wisdom fail to cool tempers however. Instead, Sarko insists that the school kids EU leaders adopt a common position on the Roma issue, specifying that the Commission has the right to ensure the respect of EU law, but member states still have the final word.
At this point, Barroso loses his patience:Barroso: “These pressures must stop [...] The Commission must be allowed to do its job. Otherwise, we will not have the kind of Europe we want. The European Court of Justice will have the final word”.
Sarkozy: “We can’t say that the Commission will refer the matter to the Court. There has to be an investigation before. By the way, I have to pay tribute to Jean-Claude Juncker [Prime Minister of Luxembourg, Ms. Reding's home country], who has urged this lady to apologise”.
Sarko avoids calling Ms. Reding by name…Luxembourgish Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker (trying to mediate): “Ms. Reding should not have talked the way she did. Nicolas should not exaggerate, though. It’s only by chance that she was born in Luxembourg”.
Barroso (interrupting Juncker): “But it was you who appointed her [as EU Commissioner representing Luxembourg]. Three times!”
Juncker: “Yes, but at your request…”
Sarkozy: “Let Van Rompuy speak”.
Van Rompuy reminds the EU leaders that journalists from all over Europe are waiting outside and proposes to draft some conclusions to settle the matter, at least for the moment. Barroso tries to spell out his own conditions.Barroso: “We will not target a specific Commissioner. Otherwise, we will also refer to other people”.
French Europe Minister Pierre Lellouche springs to mind…
Sarkozy: “Barroso can’t tell us what to say!”Barroso: “I’ve the right to express my opinion, because I’m a member of the European Council myself. And I even have a special statute [...] We have done everything to help you with the European Parliament, which is furious on this issue. Let’s not turn all this into an institutional quarrel. That would be excessive”. Berlusconi: “We need to silence the Commissioners!”
And the row reportedly terminates here, with Chancellor Merkel suggesting they move on to a different topic.
#1 by Freeborn John on September 22, 2010 - 5:55 pm
This is topic that politicians should not be discussing. Sarkozy is wrong and the ECHR (not ECJ) should rule against his actions. We should aspire to live in liberal democracies where the human rights of minorities outrank the authoritarian views of even national presidents, and the views of the president of the EU Commission count for absolutely nothing at all.
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“It follows that a frontier must be drawn between the area of private life and that of public authority. Where it is to be drawn is a matter of argument, indeed of haggling. Men are largely interdependent, and no man’s activity is so completely private as never to obstruct the lives of others in any way. ‘Freedom for the pike is death for the minnows’ the liberty of some must depend on the restraint of others” – I. Berlin
#2 by Holden on September 23, 2010 - 10:29 am
Berlusconi’s comments are always to the point
#3 by mike on September 24, 2010 - 1:52 pm
Thats what i thought my self.
#4 by INA on September 24, 2010 - 3:23 pm
Having read Berlusconi´s remarks, I, a Czech citizen, have finally understood why our ex-Prime Minister Topolanek and Berlusconi understand so well each other…
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#5 by Marcel on September 24, 2010 - 4:19 pm
As a resistance member I too believe that the unelected EU Politburo (ie commission) its members should be silenced. I prefer the criminals all be sent to jail but if necesaary the patriots and democracy-lovers of today (like me), in order to protect our democracies from the malign democracy-destroying Reich IV, need to take the same kind of measures our grandfathers did when they resisted Reich III. Collaborators beware.
#6 by Joe on September 29, 2010 - 7:07 pm
Speaking of which: Europeans in Brussels are revolting.
I always wanted to say that.
#7 by Jean-Baptiste Perrin on October 1, 2010 - 11:19 am
I notice that the usual crowd is unhappy about unelected Commissioners doing their job and expressing their opinion about French disgusting policies, yet they fail to remember that the democratically elected European Parliament is no less furious about this than Ms. Reding (who at least had the courage to call these policies what they are). As a French, I am appalled by my government policy and I am happy that an unelected Commissioner did her job and called a spade a spade. As for Mister Berlusconi, he is a disgrace for his country and shows once again how little regard he has for democratic institutions. He would be laughable if he had not so much malignant power.